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Divulgation ou tromperie ? Le nouveau bureau du Pentagone OVNI divise les croyants

Je suis souvent hésitant à traduire via google translate parce que le traduction ne rend pas toujours hommage à la version originale...

LA thématique ovni a beaucoup plus été médiatisée aux États-Unis qu'au Canada où on aborde le sujet avec des pincettes... Par contre les Américains semblent beaucoup plus polarisée sur la thématique... c'est tout blanc ou tout noir alors que la réalité est souvent beaucoup plus nuancée...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/disclosure-or-deception-new-ufo-pent...

Disclosure or deception? New UFO Pentagon office divides believers
The U.S. government hasn't comprehensively studied UFOs in decades — but not all ufologists are excited about a new Pentagon investigative office.

Jan. 8, 2022, 4:30 AM EST
By Alex Seitz-Wald
WASHINGTON — The U.S. government is finally getting back into the UFO business.

And depending on which UFO believer you ask, it's either a historic step forward to getting to the bottom of conspiracies or a ploy to regain control of the narrative — and possibly even prepare for interplanetary war.

The establishment of a new office, signed into law just before New Year's, to study “unidentified aerial phenomenon” has divided the loose community of activists, researchers and pseudo scientists who hunt for proof that we are not alone in the universe.

Some hail the legislation creating the new office, tucked into section 1683 of the massive National Defense Authorization Act, for bringing new resources, rigor and officialdom to the investigation of a phenomenon — and a potential national security threat — that has long been stigmatized in a way that makes it difficult to study.

“Our national security efforts rely on aerial supremacy and these phenomena present a challenge to our dominance,” said Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y., who spearheaded the bipartisan measure. “The United States needs a coordinated effort to take control and understand whether these aerial phenomena belong to a foreign government or something else altogether.”

It’s been decades since Washington formally studied UFOs in any kind of comprehensive way, so one might expect the news would be cause for celebration among so-called ufologists.

But the movement has long believed the government is covering up the greatest secret in history, so many are having a hard time believing the feds want to do anything other than clamp down again after several years in which it became socially acceptable for former presidents and CIA directors to talk publicly about weird things they’d seen in the skies.

On social media and forums like AboveTopSecret, a hub of ufology and conspiracy theories, debates have raged about whether the new office represents the beginning of the end of the alleged cover-up or its revival.

“This is a subject with a provable history of secrecy, and anything that lacks a new openness about the information is subject to more, possibly inappropriate control,” said Ron James, a spokesperson for the Mutual UFO Network, which bills itself as “the oldest and largest UFO organization in the world.”

“We don't see that this means new resources will be dedicated to the matter. We believe that considerable resources have always been dedicated to the matter at some level inside deep government and industry,” James added.

Luis Elizondo and Christopher Mellon, the former government insiders who helped spark renewed interest in Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, or UAPs, as they are more commonly known now, by publicizing video from military aircraft, applauded Gillibrand’s amendment — but worry it was watered down before final passage and will be buried by the Pentagon.

In an op-ed in The Hill, Elizondo criticized the Pentagon’s decision to place the new UAP office inside the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence & Security, which he said is the “perfect place to put it” if “we want 70 more years of secrecy on this topic.”

Activists complain about the lack of civilian involvement in the new Pentagon office and assume it will simply classify anything interesting it finds, so that its unclassified reports to Congress will be little more than fig leaves.

Dr. Steven Greer, who retired from the emergency room to pursue the hunt for aliens as the self-described “world’s expert on UFOs,” objects to the notion that UFOs should be treated as a national security threat at all.

As he sees it, aliens are here to help us and the military-industrial complex is hyping their danger and creating the U.S. Space Force to prepare for interplanetary war, arguing movies like “Independence Day” are part of “a false narrative created by covert groups striving to generate fear of ETs.”

But Stephen Bassett, the only lobbyist in Washington dedicated to the “formal acknowledgement by the U.S. government of an extraterrestrial presence,” as his official lobbying disclosure puts it, sees this moment as the culmination of everything he and others have been working toward.

“No, this isn't a new psyops program. It is a planned effort to end the truth embargo,” Bassett said. “While I appreciate those who are skeptical, that group has tried to find the dark side of every development — the hidden hand.”

Instead of a renewed cover-up, Bassett views the new office as one piece of a multiyear plan by a faction of insiders to finally force the government to reveal that it has had contact with aliens for decades.

“This is a sea change brought about by the work of thousands of people and activists over 70 years,” he said. “But some of these people can’t help but see it as a clever black ops mission.”

Meanwhile, the national security apparatus has more terrestrial concerns.

The Department of Defense moved quickly to set up the new Airborne Object Identification and Management Synchronization Group, which will “synchronize efforts across the Department and the broader U.S. government to detect, identify and attribute objects of interests,” according to the Pentagon.

The military has made it clear it's mainly focused on incursions into restricted airspace, such as military bases, and has talked more about drones and new technologies developed by the Russians, Chinese and other earthlings.

The language of the legislation itself goes a bit further, calling for rapid field investigations of UAP incidents, including “adverse physiological effects.” It envisions the “testing of materials, medical studies, and development of theoretical models,” as well potential future investment, to “replicate any such advanced characteristics and performance” discovered.

To Mick West, a prominent UFO debunker and villain of the ufologists, the believers have “kind of hijacked real issues,” which is that military pilots have seen things they can’t explain.

“If you read the text of this legislation, it seems to reflect concerns of the extraterrestrial hypothesis believers,” he said. “Now the military is sort of forced to jump through some slightly silly hoops while doing serious work.”

Whatever the new office reveals, he worries it will only further convince those who want to believe — whether because they’ll say the government is finally acknowledging the truth about aliens or because it’s still covering up the good stuff.

“I think it's going to clear some things up, but also going to add some fuel to the fire,” he said.''

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Ce n'est plus une question de savoir si les ovnis sont réels (réponse) La question que je me pose... ça va prendre combien de caisses de plus de témoignage crédible sur les ovnis (pilotes militaires-civil, astronautes, officiers de l'armée, responsables d'installations nucléaires) pour que ENFIN l'humanité réalise qu'elle n'est pas seule dans l'Univers....?

https://arlhub.com/its-not-a-question-anymore-of-whether-ufos-are-real/?fbclid=IwAR1EMU...

It’s Not A Question Anymore Of Whether UFOs Are Real

UFOs are real. I’ve seen them and millions upon millions of people around the world have seen them.

If you are yet to have made a ufo sighting, then I can understand your skepticism. As a journalist, my profession is in many ways, skepticism-based.

Although today, that’s very questionable given the way the mainstream media is performing.

When it comes to ufos, I’ll listen to everyone’s opinion. That’s the way it should be. If you’ve seen a ufo, then you’re a believer.

If you haven’t, you’re in two categories. You can’t wait to see one or, you just don’t believe they’re real.

Philip Mantle is one of the world’s foremost ufo and alien researchers. He has spent a virtual lifetime reporting on this topic.


Mantle runs Flying Disk Press and publishes a lot of content including books, on the subject of ufos, aliens and close encounters.

Mantle was at the center of the famous alien autopsy investigation back in the 1990s.

You see, he’s a “skeptic first and believer second” kind a guy. Just like myself. That’s the way it should be.

But his credibility when talking on this subject is second-to-none. When the alien autopsy event was happening, like most of us believers, we hoped this was the real thing.

But Mantle was never convinced. He’s since declared it a hoax although it could have made him plenty of money. And gained him much fame. Recently, he updated his research on this hoax in a book titled Roswell Alien Autopsy – The Truth Behind The Film That Shocked The World.

Mantle recently told us he’s “had enough talking about it and won’t discuss it again”.



UFOs Are Real
UFOs are real. If you’re on this site, then you believe they are or want more information about them.

That’s good. You’re doing your own research.

In an interview during the Aliens Revealed Live Online Summit, Phillip Mantle made an interesting observation.

He believed today, it’s no longer a question of whether ufos are real or not. In other words, UFOs are real, prove to me they’re not.

“I think it’s fair to say now that even from a skeptical viewpoint, we can say that these encounters do indeed take place”.

“It’s not a question anymore of whether UFOs are real or not. I think if we were to take the UFO phenomenon to court we could win the argument”.



“The argument then goes on to say, ‘well okay, now what lies behind the UFO phenomenon? What is its nature and origin’ which is something entirely different”.

“It’s like saying, you know, ‘there’s my car parked on the drive. Okay, we agree it’s a car but who built it and when was it manufactured’?”

“So that’s where you have to try and keep an open mind. It’s very, very difficult Dean and I can understand why some people have preconceived ideas or theories”.

“I certainly did when I started out and was very naive. I didn’t know an awful lot”.

“My own opinions have changed as the years have progressed and I dare say, they’ll change again”.

“You know, I was reading a quote and it says ‘your mind is like a parachute – it works best when it’s open’. And I’ll leave it at that”.



How Much More Proof Do You Need That UFOs Are Real?
UFOs Are Real And Exist
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Other than an actual alien spacecraft on full display somewhere, proof that aliens are real is overwhelming.

I see it this way, are millions upon millions of believers who have seen a ufo all colluding together and jointly perpetuating a lie?

Are they all liars?

My second sighting was very profound in 2004 and it left me with many questions. It wasn’t quite a close encounter but it’s the day I started questioning more our own existence. Why were here? Who we really are? What the heck is life all about? And who or what are piloting these unidentified craft traveling our skies?

In the last thirty years, the stigma associated with the ufo phenomenon started to slowly dissipate.

While the alien autopsy film at first was seen as being harmful to the subject, it actually proved beneficial.

Philip Mantle says it got the ufo topic into the mainstream news. People were talking about them. People started to do their own research about them. And television shows like The X-Files captured the imagination of people and began to challenge even the skeptics to do their own research.

“I don’t think the TV series, The X- Files did any great harm”.

“It brought the subject into everybody’s living room and even now, most people will know the word Roswell and they’ll all know it’s where the spaceship crashed”.


hey don’t necessarily know a lot more about it but back when I first started, Roswell wasn’t even mentioned anywhere. It had yet to be reborn, so to speak”.

“The stigma is still there, but I don’t think it’s as great as it used to be”.

“People who have had these encounters tend to relax somewhat and are now able to speak about it”.

Getting Too Close To The Truth?
The X-Files slogan was “the truth is out there”. Mantle is very thorough when he investigates and researches anything to do with ufos or aliens.

Some well known researches admit they’ve gotten too close to the truth and have had to deal with some pushback Some of it unpleasant.

Philip Mantle says he’s never “run foul” of those who would be suppressing the truth. He says he’s never “stepped on anyone’s toes”.


“Areas in and around Skipton in the Yorkshire Dales were haunted by UFO sightings and other paranormal phenomena. And we did our best to try and confront the phenomena face to face”.

“We camped out among the malls in the rain and the mist and I was never worried about treading on anyone’s toes from an official viewpoint”.

“I mean, we used to pester the minister of defense and RAF stations for information. If we were looking for information, we would contact them. So it never bothered me whatsoever”.

The following is the interview I did with Philip Mantle during Aliens Revealed Live. He discussed the difference in ufo research today as opposed to when he started in the 1970s.

Mantle speaks about the validity of the ufo phenomenon and highlights ufo events that perhaps could have rivaled Roswell and the Travis Walton abduction, but never got the coverage because they weren’t in the United States.

He also talks about his relationship with Calvin Parker who was abducted by aliens along with friend Charles Hickson in what’s now known as The Pascagoula Incident. It occurred just two years before Travis Walton was taken.

Mantle also gives us his scenario and his thoughts on what the world would look like when disclosure happens.
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Une vie extraterrestre enfin trouvée cette année? https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2022/01/08/une-vie-extraterrestre-enfin-trouvee-cette...

Une vie extraterrestre enfin trouvée cette année?

L’équipe de la Québécoise Farah Alibay a réussi le premier vol télécommandé sur une autre planète

L’ingénieure en aérospatiale s’est fait teindre les cheveux en référence à Mars, la planète rouge.
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L’ingénieure en aérospatiale québécoise Farah Alibay espère que les échantillons de sol recueillis sur la planète Mars apporteront en 2022 les preuves d’une vie extraterrestre.


« S’il y a eu de la vie sur Mars, c’est en 2022 qu’on va en trouver des traces », lance en visioconférence Farah Alibay de son bureau de Los Angeles, aux États-Unis.


L’ingénieure de 33 ans, qui fait partie depuis 2014 de l’équipe d’exploration Jet Propulsion Laboratory de la NASA, montre des photos de « Rochette », un caillou où les premiers échantillons de sol ont été prélevés il y a quelques mois. On n’attend pas de ces morceaux qu’ils révèlent des traces de vie, mais de nouveaux échantillons pourraient le faire.

Rochette est le nom donné à ce caillou où les premiers échantillons de Mars ont été prélevés (les deux trous dans la roche).
PHOTO COURTOISIE, NASA
Rochette est le nom donné à ce caillou où les premiers échantillons de Mars ont été prélevés (les deux trous dans la roche).
Aux yeux de l’experte, qui a grandi à Joliette avant de déménager aux États-Unis où elle a étudié, l’année 2022 sera déterminante pour répondre à une des plus vieilles questions de l’humanité : y a-t-il eu de la vie ailleurs que sur Terre ?

« C’est un des principaux objectifs de la mission : rapporter des traces de vie de la planète Mars », précise celle qui est aux commandes de l’hélicoptère Ingenuity, chargé de mener des vols de reconnaissance autour du robot.

Moment historique

Le 19 avril 2021, cet appareil de 2 kg est passé à l’histoire pour avoir effectué le premier vol télécommandé sur une autre planète.

À l’occasion de son premier vol, le 19 avril 2021, Ingenuity envoie à la Terre cette image, montrant son ombre sur la planète.
PHOTO COURTOISIE, NASA
À l’occasion de son premier vol, le 19 avril 2021, Ingenuity envoie à la Terre cette image, montrant son ombre sur la planète.
« L’hélicoptère a décollé, s’est élevé sur 3 mètres, s’est retourné et est redescendu après 30 secondes. C’était un moment historique qui a été accueilli avec des cris de joie sur Terre. »

Ce coucher de soleil sur Mars est une des photos préférées de l’ingénieure.
PHOTO COURTOISIE, NASA
Ce coucher de soleil sur Mars est une des photos préférées de l’ingénieure.
L’hélicoptère a déjà effectué plus de 20 décollages en 2021. « Nous souhaitions avoir une autonomie d’un mois et nous en sommes déjà à neuf mois d’activité. Les panneaux solaires fonctionnent très bien. »

Par contre, les vents et les radiations pourraient entraver les mouvements des appareils sur une planète dont on ignore beaucoup de choses.

À l’heure de Mars

Pendant plusieurs semaines en 2021, Farah Alibay a vécu à l’heure de Mars afin de suivre l’évolution de la mission en concordance avec le rythme de la planète rouge, où les journées sont plus longues.

« L’hiver s’en vient dans la région que nous explorons ; on ne sait pas comment les instruments vont se comporter », explique-t-elle en rappelant que le mercure peut atteindre -73 degrés Celsius.

Née en même temps que la Terre, Mars a eu des océans et des cours d’eau similaires aux nôtres jusqu’à ce qu’elle s’assèche.

C’est dans un ancien lac que la mission américaine a choisi d’amarsir (atterrir sur Mars) en février 2021. L’astromobile Perseverance et son hélicoptère se déplaceront jusqu’au delta où une rivière pourrait avoir accueilli des formes de vie datant de plus de trois milliards d’années. Les premiers martiens pourraient être de simples amas de cyanobactéries fossilisées.

Une vingtaine d’échantillons ont déjà été recueillis, mais il faudra attendre 2031 avant qu’une nouvelle mission les ramène sur Terre.''

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